بعد احداث وسط البلد ..القادم اسوأ
بعد احداث وسط البلد ..القادم اسوأ
بدايه اود ان اؤكد على مقدار الاسى والالم الذى شعرت به بعد احداث طلعت حرب ولكنى فى نفس الوقت لازلت ارى انها ليست الحادثه الاولى لا من ناحيه العدد او حتى التنظيم واعتقد ان حفله منير اثناء التقدم لتنظيم المونديال كانت خير مثال بعد ماحدث فى شارع الهرم والذى وصل للاعتداء على طفلات فى السابعه والعاشره حتى السيدات العجائز -واعتقد هنا ان المقارنه تختلف عن الحديث عن المحجبات والمتبرجات الذى ساد فى الفتره الاخيره - اى انها ليست الاولى
ندخل فى صلب الاحداث شارع طلعت حرب سينما العيد جماهير غفيره ثم حفله تحرش ما الجديد . الجديد هو ان الحادثه بوسط البلد بكل ما يعنيه المكان من ميراث مسرحى وسينمائى وبكل ما يحمله المكان من انوار مسلطه عليه ومكان تعامل معه الكثيرين على انه المنطقه المحرره والمنطقه التى تأوى الكثير من الصحفيين والناشطين وهنا لم يكن الامر صدمه من التحرش او اسى على ما حدث لفتيات اكثر منه خوف شديد فالاحداث لدينا فى المنزل
بدأ الحديث السريع بعد تدوينه مالك ومن بعده اخرون وبدأت معها التفسيرات المجانيه كالفقر والكبت حديث شبه محفوظ يؤدى فى نهايته الى المطالبه باقاله حبيب العادلى ولا يؤدى لشى اخر
ثم تطور الحديث ليصل للكلام عن الحثاله القادمين من بيئات واطيه او التفسير الاكثر احتراما والذى فسر الظاهره بهجره الحرفيين والصنايعيه ايام العيد لمنطقه وسط البلد بحثا عن فسحه رخيصه ثم حدث التلاحم فجائت الحادثه بغض النظر عما يملك هذا التفسير من اهانه شديده لقاطنى الاحياء الشعبيه ثم تبرء سريع من زملائنا المتعلمون من احيائهم الشعبيه رغم انهم اكثر الناس كلاما عن ابن البلد!!! هذا التفسير يسقط من حساباته الكثير من الشواهد اليوميه التى تؤكد ان التحرش ليس اختراع فقير قائم على الحرفيين والصنايعيه والضريبه وغيره ولكنه حدث يومى شبه طبيعى يمارسه راكبى سيارات فارهه واصحاب محلات وبوتيكات وزبائن كافيهات وفى مختلف المناطق من اكثرها رقى الى اكثرها فقرا
حوادث يوميه عن معاكسات تصل لحد التحرشات ولو ملك احد المتحرشين جرأه فى نزع ملابس الفتاه لهب لمساعدته الاف
ولكن حاول الجميع الصاق التهمه فى الفقراء ليصنعوا حاله مهينه ومستفزه لى شخصيا رغم ادراكى بان الهدف هو الوصول للكلام عن ضعف الامكانيات والفرص مما يؤدى لهذه الكارثه
باختصار لاتزال النساء فى مصر ايضا ضحيه اصحاب الخطاب الشمولى العام الذى دائما ما يحيل الاشياء الى صراعه مع النظام ولا اخفى المى من ضياع مجهود الحركه النسويه المصريه فى محاوله وضع قضيه المراه على راس مشاريع التجمعات السياسيه وها هو نفس الاستغلال لكل القضايا النوعيه
وها هم حتى النسويات يضعون على اعينهن عصابات لايرون من خلالها ويهتفون لاقاله العادلى و يتكلمون عن ماذا حدث للمصرين الذى منذ ان وعيت على الحياه وانا اراهم يتحرشون يوميا وفى كل الاماكن بالنساء ويحملون ثقافه عامه عن المرأه كجسد للمتعه وارى النساء تتعامل مع نفسها على انها جسد متحرك يجب عليها ان تحميه كل هذا و اسمه ماذا حدث للمصرين .لقد تحول النسويات لوقود حركه التغيير فى مصر - هذه الجمله الذى اعتقد انى احتاج ان يفسرها لى احد ان يضع لى معنى واضح لها – النساء هن كالعاده الوقود يتم حرقه لتسير الدفه دون اى اهتمام بها او بقضاياها
ندخل فى صلب الاحداث شارع طلعت حرب سينما العيد جماهير غفيره ثم حفله تحرش ما الجديد . الجديد هو ان الحادثه بوسط البلد بكل ما يعنيه المكان من ميراث مسرحى وسينمائى وبكل ما يحمله المكان من انوار مسلطه عليه ومكان تعامل معه الكثيرين على انه المنطقه المحرره والمنطقه التى تأوى الكثير من الصحفيين والناشطين وهنا لم يكن الامر صدمه من التحرش او اسى على ما حدث لفتيات اكثر منه خوف شديد فالاحداث لدينا فى المنزل
بدأ الحديث السريع بعد تدوينه مالك ومن بعده اخرون وبدأت معها التفسيرات المجانيه كالفقر والكبت حديث شبه محفوظ يؤدى فى نهايته الى المطالبه باقاله حبيب العادلى ولا يؤدى لشى اخر
ثم تطور الحديث ليصل للكلام عن الحثاله القادمين من بيئات واطيه او التفسير الاكثر احتراما والذى فسر الظاهره بهجره الحرفيين والصنايعيه ايام العيد لمنطقه وسط البلد بحثا عن فسحه رخيصه ثم حدث التلاحم فجائت الحادثه بغض النظر عما يملك هذا التفسير من اهانه شديده لقاطنى الاحياء الشعبيه ثم تبرء سريع من زملائنا المتعلمون من احيائهم الشعبيه رغم انهم اكثر الناس كلاما عن ابن البلد!!! هذا التفسير يسقط من حساباته الكثير من الشواهد اليوميه التى تؤكد ان التحرش ليس اختراع فقير قائم على الحرفيين والصنايعيه والضريبه وغيره ولكنه حدث يومى شبه طبيعى يمارسه راكبى سيارات فارهه واصحاب محلات وبوتيكات وزبائن كافيهات وفى مختلف المناطق من اكثرها رقى الى اكثرها فقرا
حوادث يوميه عن معاكسات تصل لحد التحرشات ولو ملك احد المتحرشين جرأه فى نزع ملابس الفتاه لهب لمساعدته الاف
ولكن حاول الجميع الصاق التهمه فى الفقراء ليصنعوا حاله مهينه ومستفزه لى شخصيا رغم ادراكى بان الهدف هو الوصول للكلام عن ضعف الامكانيات والفرص مما يؤدى لهذه الكارثه
باختصار لاتزال النساء فى مصر ايضا ضحيه اصحاب الخطاب الشمولى العام الذى دائما ما يحيل الاشياء الى صراعه مع النظام ولا اخفى المى من ضياع مجهود الحركه النسويه المصريه فى محاوله وضع قضيه المراه على راس مشاريع التجمعات السياسيه وها هو نفس الاستغلال لكل القضايا النوعيه
وها هم حتى النسويات يضعون على اعينهن عصابات لايرون من خلالها ويهتفون لاقاله العادلى و يتكلمون عن ماذا حدث للمصرين الذى منذ ان وعيت على الحياه وانا اراهم يتحرشون يوميا وفى كل الاماكن بالنساء ويحملون ثقافه عامه عن المرأه كجسد للمتعه وارى النساء تتعامل مع نفسها على انها جسد متحرك يجب عليها ان تحميه كل هذا و اسمه ماذا حدث للمصرين .لقد تحول النسويات لوقود حركه التغيير فى مصر - هذه الجمله الذى اعتقد انى احتاج ان يفسرها لى احد ان يضع لى معنى واضح لها – النساء هن كالعاده الوقود يتم حرقه لتسير الدفه دون اى اهتمام بها او بقضاياها
لازال القادم اسوء ولازلنا فى معركتنا امام حبيب العادلى وتناسينا ثقافه رجعيه فاشيه تحمل الكره للمرأه وتزرع العنف ولا ترى اى غضاضه فى تحرشات يوميه بالفتيات من بائعى المناديل او الشحاتين حتى طالابات الجامعات حتى شبات النوادى وصولا لربات المنازل ولكننا لن نحيد عن هدفنا لن نقف ولو لدقيقه لتأمل المشهد فلا وقت لدينا لسماع شهاده فتاه او تأهليها او تغير هذه الثقافه فالاجدر بها النزول معنا لاقاله العادلى
تذكروا القادم اسوأ
بسام مرتضى
posted by so7ab @ 12:16 AM
163 Comments:
أنا معاك إن إقالة العادلي مش هي الحل الوحيد، ولا حتي إقالة النظام كله، بس حقيقي من ساعة ما دا حصل وأنا مش قادرة أحدد ايه اللي يتعمل بالظبط، يعني دا لما حصل يوم الاستفتاء كنا عارفين من العدو المحدد لآن اللي حصل كان تحرش تحت رعاية الأمن عيني عينك عشان يمرروا تعديل المادة 76 فلما كنت شايلة يفط بتقول أقيلوا حبيب العادلي كنت مصدقة ان دا الحل،لكن دلوقتي فعلا مش عارفة احنا ممكن نعمل ايه، ممكن نفكر بشكل عملي لأن فعلا القادم أسوأ، أنا ركبت ميكروباص من يومين وشفت استيكر زي بتوع "الحجاب قبل الحساب"مكتوب عليه جملة مرعبة جدا "لن يزول الغلاء حتي تتحجب النساء". . .
Dear Bassam
Thank you for having said so perfectly what I have been thinking. Below is what I wrote and posted on Takadom group... I got no replies, no comments whatsoever. Are there any women who care about reviving an Egyptian feminist movement, one that is not caught in the same dilemma of "cultural authenticity" versus their ideals of equality?
Dear All
I apologize for writing in English, but I have no access to an Arabic keyboard at this time.
I had to write on this emailing list to express my deep disappointment concerning the reactions of the Left to the 3id incident. Of course I appreciate the fact that the leftists were almost the only ones to try to propagate the news and to make the Black Fitr known to the public.
But I deeply resent the terms on which the discussion settled. I am infuriated to read the semantic choices of the Leftist “critics”: calling the successive mass sexual assaults “intifada” and “thawra”! Both words imply a mass mobilization for a constructive change, a rejection of the status quo after a long period of grievances and injustice, and most importantly those terms refer to an emerging collective insight into one’s rights. What happened by no means falls under any of those definitions. Perceiving and discussing the mass rapes as an incident of an almost legitimate desperation of the oppressed, or as a revenge against injustice, or even as a start for a rising popular anger against the regime is utterly misleading. If anything, it reveals the crisis of the Left, and the consequence of its complex vis-à-vis its detachment from the masses: its incapacity to offer any uncompromising, serious social criticism. Calling the perpetrators with such simple self-explanatory apologetic names such as “the hungry” or “the angry” etc… reflects the wishful thinking that our left has been doomed to. Unable to win the favor of “the people”, the left abstains from any criticism that would shock the public opinion, or that would hurt their chauvinism and sense of cultural superiority. The dominant culture is never to blame, however much it seems to favor the exploitation of the weakest and the derivation of lustful pleasure from the sheer exercise of power. The undeniable prevalence of torture in police stations, especially the cases that are not politically motivated, or the all too evident rape and abuse of homeless children, and the usual enslavement of the poor, or the pride taken in class hierarchies and the subhuman treatment of the marginalized, all this resembles a lot the seemingly exceptional events of the 3id. And to the surprise of the left, much of these dominant modes of behavior and dominant social values neither stem directly from the regime, nor from the usual vampires, nor from the angry resistant working class. The middle class seems to have forever forsaken ideals of equality and justice, and treats them as mere Western inventions! Don’t mistake me for an anti-materialist! Surely the economy and the political system shape the culture, but stop viewing our undeniable ethical crisis exclusively through the lens of the economy and the structure of power.
The reaction of the Left to this Black 3id cannot but remind me of its shameful silence towards much of the values successfully propagated by the Muslim Brothers and the religious revivalists. Desperate to relate to the masses, the Left has failed to keep its integrity by stating clear stands towards the Islamist view of women, or on the other hand, towards the commercial appropriation of the female body. And even now that women are literally being turned into objects of pleasure, even women leftists have not uttered a word about the deep-seated problem of how the dominant culture perceives women. The left seems too scared to publicly reject the rising intolerance and patriarchy.
On the other hand, while the Islamists and the religious revivalists are successfully merchandizing their holy catalogues, little is being done by the left to present an alternative discourse on ethics. Leftists have joined the overwhelming cries that confuse ethics with religion. They too easily shy away from speaking out secular ideals such as equality and justice out of fear they would again and again be called Westernizers. I cannot but blame us the Leftists of this society for waiting for the culmination of our problems into such a disaster, and even more, for compromising with the public mood when real criticism is more than needed.
Rime Naguib
اسوأ من الفعل نفسة -ان كان تم بهذة القسوة-كانت ردود الفعل.. حملة الاستعراض اللي تمت من البنات بان ده بيحصل معهم كلهم وهات يا سرد موجع والفاظ عجيبة من بنات
اما الولاد وبعض البنات برضة تفرغوا تماما لفرضية الحجاب ومفهومة والدوافع والمحفزات كان في مبرر لقله الادب دي اصلا
غير دعاوي حمل الاسلحة الدفاعية البسطة.. سواء بشكل كوميدي او جدي.. ودي مصيبة تانية.. من امتي بقي الجسد شغل شاغل للبنت طول الوقت بتخبية وبتدافع عنة ولا بتتعلم ولا بتشتغل غير في وقت الفراغ من حمايتة
ووسط كل ده تفسير غبي .. لتدخل اخواني لنشر ثقافة النقاب اخوان ايه بس اللي هيعتدوا علي البنات
ودلوقتي بتغيير العادلي.. مش العادلي بعد كل حادث ارهابي كنت انزل التحرير والصحفيين ادور علي اي كلمة ضده مالقاش هوا ده بقي اللي هيحل المشكلة
عجبنى اوى يابسام الكلام اللى انت كتبته، دايما أجرأ منى فى التعبير عن مواقفك!!!!!!!!!!! ماعلينا
أنا مش عارفة اكتب مقورة من اللى حصل ولا من ردود الأفعال
لو على اللى جصل زى ماأنت قلت حصلت قبل كده كتير وكمان بتحصل كل يوم ..أنا عن نفسى معنديش واحدة من صاحباتى اشوفها كل يوم الا وتحكى عن تحرش حصلها وبقي ده العادى واما اتنين من صاحباتى من الطبقة الوسطى العليا يتعرضن لمحاولات اغتصاب فى اسانسيرات بيتهم برضه عادى اما ردود الافعال حدث ولا حرج
واحد يقولك ابقى اركبى تاكسى او اشترى عربيه ما انت معاكى فلوس ويبقى كل الناس مقهورة على بنات الطبقة الوسطى وسايباه الغلابة كل يوم بينتهك عرضن وليها عين تتكلم بنت الطبقة الوسطى وكمان دى حالات فردية وانا شايفاه دى الأزمة، نفسى اليساريين بكل اشكالهم يشيلوا اديهم من موضوع الحركة النسوية او يحالوا يقروا فى توجهات الحركة النسوية اليسارية وبعدين يتكلموا
والناس مصدومة اى اللى حصل للمصريين؟ كانهن مميمشوش فى الشارع ولا بيتلاحموا مع الجماهير اللى على طول بيتكلموا عليهم علشان يعرفوا ان التحرش سمة وطابع مصرى أصيل او تطلع شعارات لاقاله العادلى اللى انا شايفاه انه مالوش زنب المره دى واحنا لا يتم التحرش بينا بامر منه لا بيتم التحرش بينا لان الراجل اللى ماشى من كل الطبقات شايف ان من حقه انه يهينى وبينتهكنى او ان الناس فقرا ياحرام فبيتحرشوا و مبارك السبب فى الفقر فمبارك يبقى هو سبب التحرش!!!!!!!!!!!!!
او ان المركز المختص بحقوق المراة يبقى هتافه " عرض بناتنا" هو مافيش كلمة كرامة ولا حق بناتنا ولا لازم الموضوع يتعلق بالعرض علشان الناس تهب وتزعل وتتحرق لكن الكرامة واحساس البنات مش مهم مادام لا يمس العرض!!!!!!!!!!!
أو يأتى التحليل المنطقى الهايل ناحية النقد اللازع للقيم البرجوازية وتأتى احد التحلايلات لتؤكد ان بنات الطبقة الوسطى العليا لم ولن تواجه هذه الأشكال من التحرش لانهن لا يتعامنا مع المواصلات العامة المسكونة بالتحرش الجنسي وبملصقات الفضيلة ولا ينتظرون العيد ليدخلوا سينمات وسط البلد الرخيصة مين قال لسيادته ان التحرش مش فى الشوارع ولا فى الشغل اللى بتشتغل فيه البنات دى وبتقبض الاف الجنيهات ولا من زمايلهم فى العمل ولا من رؤساهم طبعا هو مش واخد باله ولا عايز لانه مهتم بالطبقات الفقيرة بس لكن بقيت البنات تتحرق مش مشكله مش معاهم فلوس خلاص المشكلة خلصت
ومش فاهمة ايزاى يبقى التحرش تعبير عن قهر هؤلاء المتحرشون من شكل الحياة النموذجي الراقي المنسجم الذي تتغنى به و تعرضه البرجوازية وقطاعات في النظام على مسامعهم وأعينهم ليلاً و نهاراً، محرومون من أي فرصة للصعود الاجتماعي
ريم كلامك مصبوب على نقد يسارى بصفة ان مافيش غير اليساريين ممكن يعملوا حركة نسوية وانا مش معاكى فى ده لان مش كل اللى غطوا الحدث كانوا يساريين اظن وائل عباس مش يسارى بس بقى فى حالة عامه ان كل ناشط او ناشطه هم يساريون وده تصور فى وجهة نظرى مش صحيح وعلى نفس الخط رايي ان احنا نلوم اليساريين على موقفهم على انهم المدافع الاول عن الحركة النسوية او المكونيين الوحيديين ليها برضه مش عاجبنى اوى ومش معنى ان فى فترة طويله من الناشطات اليساريين أصبحن نسويات فده مش زنب الحركة النسوية دى مشكله النساء دول
اليساريين من خايفيين يعبروا عن وجهة نظرهم علشان هما خايفيين من المد الدينى لا هما كده المراة وقضايا جزء من حركتهم ولو ما استافادوش منها فى تحقيق أهدافهم العظمى فملهاش لازمة لو لم يتم النظر لقضايا المراة من خلال صراع الطبقات والتغيير المجتمعى بالكامل ملهاش لازمة وتستنى لحد ماييجى دورها
انا شايفة ان النظر للموضوع ان ده وغيره من انتهاك النساء بيحصل لكل النساء على مستوى كل الطبقات وكل واحدة بتدفع الثمن طبقا لقيم طبقاتها بنات طبقات معينة اما بيتم التحرش بهن بدوروا ويضربوه وغيرهن بيمشوا خايفيين من الفضيحة مش الحثالة والفقرا اللى بيتحرشوا بينا وبيهينونا كل اليوم زى مش بس البنات الفقيرة والغير ممكنة هن بس اللى بيت التحرش يهن
كلنا ضحايا وكلنا وانتم معنا مسؤولون
أسفة على الاطاله بس انا متغاظة جدا
مزن
بسام كفيت و وفيت في هذه التدوينة
ليس الفقر هو الفقر المادي و لكن هو الفقر في الاخلاق و القيم ان جاز التعبير
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الصديقه ريم
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اعتقد ان ما طرحتيه يفتح كتير من المناقشات بغض النظر عن ازمات مجموعه التقدم الى الحوارات اصبح مقفوله بشكل ما فيها
معاكى جدا فى طرحك للحركه النسويه ومع ضروره احيائها واعتقد ان الحوار سيظل بينا فى هذه النقطه ولكنى اعى تماما ما طرحته مزن عن تعلق الحركه النسويه باليسار واعتقد ان النقطه تحتاج المزيد من المناقشه
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اما موضوع الجسد فده حاله عامه ليها علاقه بان البنت كل اهميتها فى حمايه جسدها وعاه ميهمش هى مين ولا بتفكر فى ايه ولا بتحلم ازاى اهم شىء هو الحفاظ على الجسم زكل ما البنات اسيره هذه الثقاففه كل الاسوء سيظل قادم
زونا الانونومسيه
عارف جدا حجم الحرقه اللى بتتكلمى بيها لكنى شايف ان الموضوع فتح معاه واظهر بوضوح كتير من التناقضات اللى عايشاها الحركات السياسيه واللى حولنا نتكلم عنها قبل كده ومحدش صدقنا
الازمه انى الناس مصره انها تهين ذاوتها وتعلن ان بنات الطبقه الوسى العليا مبتعرضوش للتحرش وده اكيد مش حقيقى لاننا يوميا بنسمع بشكل شخصى عن حالات كتير لكن اتلسؤال ليه الحالات متوصلش لمراكز او غيره لانهم بيتعاملو ان البنات موقعه الطبيعى فى قلب المظاهره وغير كده هما مذنين وخوافين
ممكن فعلا يكون تفسير ريم يسارى لكن ده جزء من افكارها وهنا انا اللى محتاج ان النسويات الغير يساريات يعبرو عن رؤيتهم بشكل اكثر جراه ويرفضو احتكار اليسار - ان جاز التعبير - للحركه النسويه
فاطمه طماطم
انا كمان زهت من التفسيرات المجانيه اللى احنا بنقدمها فى كل ازمه من الفقر او الحاجه وبنشيل من دماغعنا حقائق واضحه
اما موضوه الطبقه الوسطى فانا بختلف معاكى شويه لان الطبقه الوسطى لاتزال لا ترى سوى نفسها وانها هى الحاميه وتفرض وصايه غريبه الشكل وغير مبرره على المجتمع بصفتها هى الافضل وانا لازلت لا ارى اى اضافه للطبقه الوسطى فى المجتمع المصرى
تذكرت افيه شهير لى مع احد اصدقائى وهو ان اى شىء يحدث لابن من الطبقه الوسطى تجده يعلن بكل عزه البلد باظت كأنه هو البلد ولا يتكلم عن ماذا حدث له او ما يعانيه وكل ما يكون على لسانه هى ان البلد باظت
والله احنا حالنا الان اصبح لا يسر عدو
فذا كان حالنا هذا داخليا فكيف ننتصر وكيف نطلب النصر
نحن امام منحني خطير
الله ارحمنا
بسام العجيب
بعيد ان اداء فيه استعلاء علي خلق الله و اعتبار الفقير منهم بيئة و الغني منهم محدث نعمة
انا اللي قصدته بالطبقة الوسطي و دورها مش انا اللي قلته اعتقد و الله اعلم و لان ذاكرتي مصدية شوية بحكم السن انه ارسطو اللي قال كدة و دة فعلا حقيقي اللي اقصده ان اكتر طبقة مهتمة بتحسين الوضع و كمان عندها القدرة العددية و المعرفية علي التغيير هي الطبقة الوسطي في اي مجتمع مش بس الحالة المصرية
مش هانكر اني بتفاعل اكتر مع القضايا اللي بتخصني اكتر و اللي بتاثر علي حياتي انا بس كمان ابقي غبية و نظرتي قاصرة لو ما اهتمتش بالقضايا اللي بتأثر عليا باي شكل كان حتي لو كان غير مباشر و شكرا يا جنتل
القادم أسوأ..!؟
أعتقد هذا
لكن عندما أعلن هذا للبعض أجد رد الفعل يزدريني، كأني حاقد على هذا المجتمع الهانيء بما فيه من سلم وتحضر.
بعض المتفائلين من أهل الأيديولوجيا يظنون أن القادم سيكون في مصلحتهم، وأن وقتها سيكون فرصة لإعادة ترتيب الأمور من جديد..
ما أظنه وأخشاه أن أرى بعيني مشهد كالذي رآه المصري القديم إبوور في عصر الاضمحلال من مشاهد فوضى .
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عزيزي بسام
للأسف لا أحد يريد أن يواجه نفسه بأن القادم أسوأ
أو على الأقل ليس أفضل .
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للأسف الإنسان لايختار اسرته (أو أبناء وطنه)، لكنه بالإمكان أن يكون نموذجا مشرفا لأفرادها .
أعتقد أن المحاولات الفردية قد تكون بداية خير، لأن معصرة الخضوع للجماعة رهيبة .
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أعتذر ان كانت كلماتي ليست مشرقة أو مبهجة، لكنك أثرت نقطة تمثل لي هاجس، منذ سنوات، وأجد من الاسباب ما يؤيدها .
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ما حدث في وسط البلد جزء من مأساة أشمل .. وأنا أتفق مع الرأي بأن إقالة العادلي وإن كانت واجبة إلا أنها لن تحل المشكلة .. النظام بأكمله فاشل .. والشعب يحتاج إلى إعادة تأهيل .. المثقفين والمهتمين قابعين بعيداااااا جداااا جداااا .. الأمل في كل الخطوات التي يتخذها هؤلاء المثقفين ليعودوا للشارع والناس ، ويلعبوا دورهم المفترض في نشر الوعي ، ليس فقط فيما يتعلق بموضوع التحرش ، وتقوييم النظام .. بل في كل السلبيات التي نعيشها والتي تتراكم يوم بعد آخر
في
طماطم
انا فاهم جدا اللى تقصديه ولكنى عندى مشكله تحتاج مناقشه اوسع عن التعويل عن الطبقه الوسطى
بس وكنت بنكشك يعنى يا قمر - من الجنتل
العزيز عبده باشا
انا كمان منزعج جدا من حاله بعض الاصدقاء وحديثهم عن الفوضى وكأنها بدايه الثوره . الفوضى خطيره وعواقبها اخطر
عندما نقول ان القادم اسوأ ليس تشاؤم او احباط فى همم المتحمسين ولكن علينا قراءة الواقع بما نراه امامنا حتى نرى انفسنا جيدا بعيدا عن التشنجات والعنتريات
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بالفعل فيلم البنات دول كان فى عنيا وانا بكتب التدوينه وهو بالظبط بيكسر كتير من تابوهاتنا عن المجتمع الجيد المحافظ وبيفضح جحيم عايش فيه فتيات الشوارع ورغم كل ده بنتصدم لما بنسمع ان فيه حالات تحرش منظمه
انا مش مع بعض اصدقائى اللى شايفين ان اهم للناس الاهتمام بما يحدث لبنات الشوارع من تحرشات وكمان انا بختلف تماما فى الرؤيه اللى شايفه ان الاهتمام كله لازم يتصب فى بنات الطبقه الوسطى بس اكيد الحوادث لازم تكون ادام عنينا ومندعيش الذهول فى حاله شبه كده وعندنا كل يوم بنات بتختصب فى الشارع
بالنسبه للعادلى انا عندى تسعتلاف سبب لاقاله العادلى لكن مستفز جدا ان فى حاله شبه دى الناس تتغاضى عن منظومه ثقافيه بالكامل وتكلمنى عن الامن والعادلى وان ازاى الامن مسحلش الحثاله المتحرشين
ملحوظه اخيره
مفكرتنيش يعنى بالميل ده معناه انو ثقه ولا انت رميت طوبتى خلاص
انت لسه شوفت حاجة
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عزيزى بسام
آسف على الغياب, مشاغل الحياه بقى انتا عارف
شيء مستفز فعلاً الصاق التهمه بالفقر. أو حتى البحث عن تهم ما و الصاقها بأشخاص معينين, بمعنى آخر البحث الروتينى عن الشماعه. و لم يدرك هؤلاء أن هذا هو الوضع الحالى و ان كان غير ظاهر. ما حدث فى وسط البلد يحدث يومياً, و سيستغرق سنوات و تغيير جذرى ليتوقف. شيء هام لفت نظرى و يناقض كلامى , من يأتون الى الحضر للعيش فى القاهره يأتوا بعادات سيئه تزيد الوضع سوءً مما هو عليه, أبسطها الصوت العالى فى كل شيء, عدم احترام الجار, قله النضافه , عدم احترام القواعد و حدود الآخرين و الفوضى, ليس بسبب ذنب منهم و بل بسبب الجهل الاهمال من قيادتنا الحكيمه و الفرق بين أخلاق الريف و المدينه. لو نظرت مثلاً الى الغرب لن تجد الهوه الشاسعه بين أخلاق الريف و المدينه مثل عندنا فى مصر, و ان اختلفوا فى العادات طبعاًو و لكن تبقى السمات الأساسيه للتحضر موجوده فى الجميع
تحياتى
ممدوح
نفسى نلحق قبل ما يجى التقيل
العزيز الغائب معتز المصرى
اولا وحشنى تعليقاتك وعن موضوع اخلاق الحضر اعتقد انها محتاجه منا اعاده مناقشه ومحتاجه فى اوقات جرأه بعيد عن الحديث عن اخلاق القريه وفى نفس الوقت محتاجين نقلل كتير من ثقافه القاهرين اللى حاسين بتميزهم دون ان يكون لهم اى تميز حقيقى ملموس
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